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apart, but right in the middle of the front seat was acquired from the police officer that was like, i'm here, give me a call. then my second one, i was pulled over in a uniform and he gave it back and i saw him over the counter. >> juan: i want to hear more. >> bret: this is a fox news alert, i'm bret baier. president trump says his most recent meeting with congressional leaders was a waste of time. the speaker of the house says the president is being petulant, the president walked out of a session with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer aimed at making some progress in the three and a half week long partial government shutdown. so far, the white house is warning any sort of peaceful approach towards ending the impasse will be rejected. fox news coverage tonight at the capital where the democrats now are being joined by some in the president's own party calling to an end to the work stoppage. we start off tonight with chief
white house correspondent john roberts. very angry it seems, president trump at this meeting, at least according to some. >> he always had the art of the deal was knowing when to walk away, and i think it is pretty safe to say that the outcome after today's events is that of shutdown is not likely to end anytime soon. >> it's cold out here and the temperature wasn't much warmer in the situation room. >> after a second meaning in the situation room today, both sides at the border battle emerged and no closer to a deal to end the shutdown then they were going in. >> unfortunately, the president just got up and walked out. he asked speaker pelosi, will you agree to my wall? she said no. and he just got up and said, we have nothing to discuss and just walked out. >> democrats described the president is demanding and obstinate end, but hold on, says the vice president, it was the democrats who refused to budge. >> he left the room today because speaker nancy pelosi
said that even if he gave her what she wanted, she would never agree to the border security priorities that we have on the table. >> in a tweet, president trump called the meeting a total waste of time. i asked what is going to happen in 30 days if i quickly opened things up dumb are you going to approve border security, which includes a wall or steel barrier? and nancy said no, i said bye-bye. how the meeting went down depending on which side of the political i'll use it. >> again, we saw a temper tantrum. he sort of slammed the table. >> nobody slammed their hand on the table. >> earlier today, the president up to the anti. >> human trafficking cannot be stopped if we don't have a steel barrier or a concrete wall, something very powerful. >> signing a bill to combat human trafficking today, president trump said without a while, criminals can simply drive their victims across the border. he acknowledged the idea is
primitive, but insists it works. >> they say it is a medieval solution, a wall. it is medieval because it works at then end works even better now. >> as a federal workers face their first mist paycheck on friday, some senators are worried about the political impact. senators went to capitol hill today telling senate republicans he has dug in and needs him tho stand with him. >> we have a very unified party that wants national security. they want us steel barrier or a wall of concrete, they don't care. i will use any term they want. >> in the event an impasse continues, the white house is taking steps to mitigate the potential effects. the department of agriculture is sharing recipients, they will still get their food stamps. the office of management and budget saying even if the budget extends into taxis and, they will still go out. >> tomorrow, trump is visiting the border and the people on the front lines. according to "the new york times" in an off
the record lunch yesterday with the news anchors and some reporters, president trump dismissed that trip as a waste saying, "it is not going to change a damn thing, but i'm still doing it." according to "the new york times," the president was talked into the trip by his aides but it is nothing more than a photo op. >> bret: thank you. it was an off the record lunch, context is key. as john mentioned, it is now not just democrats who are calling for all of the federal government to go back online, but they are certainly leading the public relations offensive against of the president. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel has that part of the story. >> the democrats passed at the financial services funding bill with just eight republicans voting yes. mitch mcconnell says the peace deal approach is the dead on arrival in the senate as the white house offered to veto the threat. lawmakers are stuck as though speaker of the house keeps attacking president trump.
>> it wasn't even a high-stakes negotiation. it was a petulant president of the united states. >> on day 19 of the partial government shutdown, an event with furloughed government workers tried to put a face on the event. >> to use them as hostages threw a temper tantrum by the president is just so wrong, so unfair, so mean-spirited. >> pelosi and schumer deliver the democrats' response trying to limit the impact to the prime time address. on the other side, majority leader mitch mcconnell said republicans are standing strong. >> we think border security is extremely important. >> the president's allies say this is the perfect time to address a major problem. >> this is the best chance to force a solution to border security. another thing, my goal is not to reopen the government. my goal is to fix the broken immigration system. >> a moderate democrat looking
for a deal says negotiations are tricky. >> our challenges the president saying what he expects and sticking to it. in the absence of that, mitch mcconnell, who is currently absent on these negotiations to ending the shutdown, his challenge is not knowing what the president will accept. >> there is some shutdown steege's intentions growing with senators from maine and colorado, who are both expected to face competitive races in 2020. some senators are worried about the country's credit rating because of the shutdown. >> the department of the interior and the national park service or the operations of the irs, and whether or not tax refunds go out don't have anything to do with border security. >> a red state democrat also up in 2020 isn't sounding the alarm just yet. >> hopefully people are not as
entrenched as they may say publicly and we can get something done beer >> others are not as optimistic, suggesting both sides are quite dug in and this could last for some time. >> bret: mike emanuel live on the hill. thanks. let's talk about the economic impact and the standoff. tom donahue, the ceo of the u.s. chamber of commerce, this is the night before his american state of business speech. thank you for being here. >> exciting things going on. >> bret: every night. first of all, before we talk about the state of american business, your thoughts about this shutdown and the impact, and what is the message from the chamber? >> you know, the longest time we have ever shut the government down before was 21 days, and we are coming close to that. and just looking at it first from the shutdown, in the next three or four days, five days, we are going to have real tight problems for individuals with their mortgages and their credit
cards and so on, and to the same thing with companies. they need permits to do things, we know one big beer distributor, he makes barrels of beer but he can't send them out the door until he gets a tax stamp that they come and put on. so all around the place, we ought to know, democrats, republicans, people in the white house, people in congress, this deal is going to be different in a short period of time. there is no question that we are very concerned, as i think you have heard me say, about where we find our workers for the future. there is no question that there are issues of border security, and i'm just very hopeful that after everyone has said their piece and folks think about this a little bit the next day that we will find a way to open the border without giving up the president's worry about some of these security issues.
>> bret: open the government, you mean. >> open the government, and move forward on taking care of border security. it's critical, and we are looking forward to some common sense here, and we will support it. we put a proposal out yesterday that would also protect these daca people. we need those workers appear >> bret: but it doesn't seem like the negotiation is happening. you've got people walking out of the room, congressional leaders not working forward. you are calling for leadership on both sides. >> i am, but i'm also suggesting if everyone goes home and looks at the calendar, or calls up some of their relatives, they will find out this is going to go from an annoyance and a problem, to a real political problem in short order. i have great confidence in the politicians of the city to read that reality and work together to get something important on here. >> bret: we will see. let's talk about the state of american business. as you see it tonight, where is
it? in this administration, we have talked a year after year about this. >> i think the state of american business is quite good. we have the lowest unemployment we have had in 60 years, we have put more people back to work, that is one of the reasons we are very much short of workers. we still have good economic growth, of course, it is down a little bit, but fractional. we are working very well to drive some economic growth, the stock market is going back up, although that is not an indication of how well the economy is functioning. there are so many other issues there. and a lot of people are trying to talk us into a recession. i am not buying it. >> bret: you talk to businesses around the country. >> all the time the time. >> bret: you see strength? >> remember, one of their roles in life is to worry every day. but when you ask them about the numbers and how are they doing, what are they shipping out the
door, how many customers are walking in the door, and what do their quarterly numbers look like, they are sort of smiling. >> bret: last topic, and this is the national debt, you talked about five years ago, you said that the single biggest threat to our economic future is exploding national debt. we don't hear a lot about that, tom, now in this current environment. there are not a lot of lawmakers talking about it, the president is not talking about appeared right now, 106.2% debt to gdp ratio. where are we on this issue? >> well, that is the right number, but almost all comes from the same place. it is medicare, social security, it's medicaid. and no politician in his right mind wants to go down the floor of his respective house and start talking about cutting back those issues. >> bret: but eventually as a
country we are going to have to. >> well, yes, and it is much better to start doing it now, and there is some conversation going on, because if you wait a number of years it is going to become a crisis that you are not going to have as many options on how to fix. i think it is a great time with the economy up, it is one of those things we thought why we should go for a tax cut, the economy up, more people working, more people in a position to look at these issues and thinking about -- you know what it is all about -- when we came out with social security the average death age is 62. today, it is 80. there was 18 years, nobody's paying for. we have got to come together to figure out how to fix these issues. not to cut it back, to push it down a little bit and get on with it. >> bret: tom donohue, ceo of u.s. chamber of commerce. thank you very much. three days of u.s.-chinese talks aimed at ending up costly tariff
battle wrapped up today with a sense of public optimism. sarah sanders telling fox business network the administration expect something will come of these negotiations. the u.s. wants china to scrap or change rules. washington says block market access, that will improperly help chinese companies. china is unhappy with u.s. investment curves, such as goals on dual use technology with possible military implications. wall street writing a four-day winning streak. the dow gained 92, the s&p 500 finished 11, the nasdaq was up to 60. we don't know this for sure, but this could be the most expensive divorce ever appeared amazon founder and ceo jeff bezos is getting a divorce. he is one of the world's richest men. amazon is said to be worth $100 billion, and he and his wife mckenzie have been married since 1993. now posted on bezos' twitter account, the two will remain cherished friends and partners
and projects. they have four children together. the president's new attorney general will be picking his own top lieutenant. a justice department number two, rod rosenstein, says he will leave once the new boss is confirmed by the senate. catherine herridge tells us it appears rod rosenstein is leaving on his own. >> leaving his home in suburban washington, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein had no comment for reporters after officials confirmed his departure in coming weeks after a new attorney general is confirmed. the white house characterized the move is part of a smooth transition. >> i don't think there was any willingness by the president or the white house to push him out. my guess is that he is making room for the new attorney general to build a team. >> sources close to rodenstein said that he saw the deputies job as a two year position that is now approaching, but not without controversy. last month, house republicans closed a probe into fbi justice department actions during the
2016 campaign, and singled out to rodenstein for failing to answer questions under oath. the former fbi top lawyer backed up media account that rodenstei rodenstein's seriously discussed secretly recording the president and invoking the 25th amendment appeared a source close to rodenstein maintains his comments were sarcastic. rodenstein also signed the final surveillance warrant renewal for carter page. the new chairman for the judicial committee said he wants to hear from us before on the surveillance allegations. >> i am going to do a deep dive into the fisa issue, and i think he will be part of it. >> william barr, the president's choice it to be attorney general met with a handful of senators in advance of next week's confirmation hearing. william barr was pressed on the special counsel report, among other issues. >> your experience as attorney general in the previous administration ought to make his nomination very easy.
>> i asked mr. barr that directly if mr. mueller is on a witch hunt. he said no. >> other indications the confirmation hearings may be highly charged, the senate minority leader called on the president to withdraw mr. barr's nomination. in the memo, mr. barr obstruction of justice allegations were not legally sound. >> bret: thank you. up next, it is not just congressional democrats. we will look at how state and local officials are trying to move their jurisdictions further to the political left. first, some of our fox affiliates around the country. fox 17 in des moines, iowa, as billionaire tom steyer says he will not run for president in 2020. tom steyer invested $20 million in grassroots organizing for democrats in an effort to have an impact on midterm elections. he is also pushing for impeachment on the president. fox 13 in tampa as many fellows in florida show up at their
local registration offices as their right to cast ballots was restored. the measure took effect tuesday and applies to all felons who have done their time and completed the terms of their probation and parole with the exception of those committed of murder or offenses. and this is alive look at las vegas from fox 5. transportation secretary canceled her plan to deliver the keynote address at an electronics show in las vegas. she joins the head of the communications division and several other government officials who say they were going to go, who now say they are not attending because of the government shutdown. that is tonight's live look from outside the beltway from "special report." we will be right back. smile dad.
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the moves appear to be a growing trend, or part of it, among state and local officials to join their congressional brethren in trying to move the country further to the left. correspondent bryan llenas looks at the evident tonight from new york. >> new yorkers need a break. do you need a break? do you work hard? >> new york city mayor bill de blasio announcing another bill that, if passed, would make the new york the first city to guarantee 5,000 new yorkers in two weeks paid vacation. this after the mayor announced that the city would be the first to guarantee health care coverage for all, including 300,000 undocumented immigrants. the cost, $100 million a year. >> the entire time i have been mayor, washington has done next in nothing, regardless of who was in the white house or congress because everything has been divided. >> he is not alone. while the federal government is shut down, leaving democrats in
congress at a standstill, it is democrats at the local and state levels who appear to be lurching left. in california, newly sworn in governor promises to extend government-sponsored health care to 1:30 8,000 young immigrants living in the state illegally. >> we will never waver in our pursuit in guaranteeing health care for all californians. >> and a washington state, the governor proposed a public insurance bill that is a step towards medicare for all. democrats are also targeting climate change and tax increases to raise $1.1 billion to save critically endangered killer orca's and in colorado, large buildings are now required to have rooftop gardens. critics believe these new programs are unaffordable and will be a tax burden on the middle class. the conservative think tank says mayor de blasio's plans for new york city are "a surefire way to wreck the city's budget."
>> recent fox news polling shows that the top issue with voters is health care. it is no coincidence that both the mayor of new york and the governor unveiled health care plans this week. both are planning to run in 2020. >> bret: thank you. in mexico, it isn't just the president who thinks there is a humanitarian crisis. beyond our borders tonight, i in is confirming holding an american president. this is the first american known to be held during this administration. his girlfriend filed a missing persons report when he didn't board his return flight to the u.s. the state department is not commenting, saying it is aware of the american citizen's arrest. there are four other known american citizens being held and iran. secretary of state mike pompeo was in iraq today in an unannounced stop on his
middle east tour to clarify u.s. withdrawal plans from syria. mike pompeo also discussed efforts to ensure the lasting defeat of isis. a suspicious package is evacuations today at several foreign consulates, including the u.s. office in the australian cities of melbourne. there were no immediate reports of injuries. the australian federal police say the packages are being examined. just some of the other stories beyond our borders tonight. we will be right back. (rooster morning call) this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion.
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♪ >> bret: our top story at the bottom of the hour, president trump met today with congressional leaders from both parties to talk about the partial government shutdown and his demand for a border wall. it did not end well today. many of the president's critics were fighting him over the wall, they do agree with him on one point, that the situation on the border is a crisis. tonight's chief correspondent jonathan hunt is on the u.s. side of the border to take a look. >> we left our country and are looking for a better life. >> several times, migrants from the caravan remain captive shelters in tijuana and watched with obvious interest as president trump talk to the humanitarian and security crisis on the u.s.-mexico border. the migrants did not like what they heard.
>> translator: i don't know what he means by saying we are a danger to his country. most on the other side are migrants and are working over there. >> translator: i hope his heart softens up to give us a chance, because we are not going there to steal from him. we want to work, to help continue building the country. >> on the u.s. side of the border, residents in cities like san diego, just a few miles to the north, live with the realities of immigration, legal and illegal, every day. >> and at the san diego county board of supervisors, republicans echoed the president's description of a humanitarian crisis as a board members and residents discussed how the county might help people who have already crossed the border, gone through the initial stage of the asylum process, and are now waiting come around 4,000 of them come in the san diego area, needing food, water, and shelter. >> we are the usa, we need to help our people first. i think they need to be helped, but to ask the county to do it
it -- >> the county is putting effort to provide some compassion and humanity to those who are here seeking refuge, it is refreshin refreshing. >> many other san diego ants in the gaslamp entertainment district clearly to consider basketball a bigger tv draw than the president's oval office address. and it seems safe to say that here on the border in washington, d.c., neither the president's remarks, nor those of the democratic leadership have changed many minds in this increasingly entrenched debate. >> bret: jonathan hunt live on the border. thanks. the head of the union representing tsa screeners says some of his members have already quit. many more are thinking about it because of the partial government shutdown. there have been plenty of sick-outs already, and there are worries about what the situation is doing to air travelers. tonight, senior correspondent has a surprising answer from
laguardia airport. >> travelers expect a long security lines at laguardia airport found this instead, no line. no waiting. there were reports over the weekend of excessive checkpoint delays, and the tsa confirmed a slight uptick in unscheduled absences of agents, prompting some democratic lawmakers to warn that the partial government shutdown was creating safety risks. >> i worry about the security questions. you see a growing number of tsa agents who haven't been showing up to work appear to speak about so far the effect has been minimal, according to tsa public affairs. 5% of the 51,000 workers called out tuesday, compared to 3.9% on the same day last year. and average wait times across the nation appear unaffected. at laguardia airport, typically 15 to 30 minutes, it was 13 minutes yesterday. chicago o'hare, usually less than 15, was 13. in dallas where weights are usually 15 to 30 minutes, it was a maximum 15, and at lax, it was
18. only slightly above average. but critics say even if agents show up and they won't be effective because they are worried about missing paychecks appear to speak at the the time using this shutdown to make our borders secure, but the dark irony is he is forcing tsa agents, cbp officers and prison guards to work without pay. tell me how that makes america more secure. >> the airport is the most frequent place where terrorists try to enter the country. when you have a transportation security agency officer working the airport right now, this should not be distracted. >> tsa spokesman tweeted, "security standards will not and have not been compromised. reports thereof are misleading." another tsa spokesman says these agents have to make some tough
decisions based on the best interests of their families, but we are not there yet. the first paycheck they could miss is this friday. >> bret: thank you. president trump walked out of a meeting with congressional leaders after the partial government shutdown drags on. we will get reaction from the panel when we come back. if i would've known that i was gonna be 50 times happier... i would've gone into aspen dental much sooner. it was a very life changing experience... and it felt like i was me again. that's when i realized i hadn't been for three years. at aspen dental we're all about yes. like yes to flexible hours and payment options. yes to free exam and x-rays for new patients without insurance. and yes whenever you're ready to get started, we are too. call 1-800-aspendental today.
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♪ >> we've got four options here right now, but we are working on some others. number one, president trump. >> if i did something that was polish, like gave up on border security, the first wants to hit me would be my senators, they would be angry. number two, nancy pelosi. >> we have a better idea how to keep our country safe, and it is in a wall. >> number three, the government continues to be shut down. >> this is an emergency. it is time to reopen the government. >> or number four, the president
invokes a national emergency. >> i have the absolute right to invoke a national emergency. >> the partial government shutdown continues, three and half weeks. friday is a big day with the paychecks either going out or not going out for federal workers. again, 25% of the federal government, not all of its appear to the president tweeting about this meeting today with congressional leaders, "just left the meeting with chuck and nancy. a total waste of time. i asked if that wall would happen in 30 days if i quickly opened things up. are you going to improve border security? nancy said no, i said bye-bye. nothing else works." here is a reaction to that meeting. >> he asked speaker pelosi, if he reopened the government quickly, which he would be willing to agree to funding, for a wall or a barrier on the southern border, and when she said no, the president said goodbye. >> again, we saw a temper
tantrum. he sort of slammed the table. >> the president walked into the room had passed out candy. i don't recall him ever raising his voice or slamming his hand. >> bret: two different perspectives on the meeting. let's bring in the panel. editor in chief of "of "the washington free beacon"." and "washington post" columnist, mark, going in here, a lot of people said eventually the onus is going to be on the president, pressure building and federal workers not going to get checks. they have yet to miss a check until friday. is there a tipping point the other way where people say, wait a second, a lot of these people have voted for a lot of border security and passed bills understanding they were part of comprehensive deals, and they are not giving anything on the border security issue. does the onus go the other way? >> i feel it definitely does and relatively soon. if you look at the speeches last night, donald trump used a word in the speech, he said
compromise. the democrats, if you look at chuck schumer and nancy pelosi's speeches, the word compromise did not fit in. compromise -- >> bret: by the way, look at this image. this is from last night. if this is not the start of "saturday night live," i don't know what will be. clearly, it seems well positioned for the open of "snl." speak of the state of our country, we are about to hit on saturday, assuming nothing miraculous happens in a few days, the largest shutdown in american history. this is the stupidest government shutdown in american history because we have a $4.4 trillion federal budget, and we are having a fight right now about the difference between $1.3 billion that the president approved for a while, and at the $.7 billion.the president is amanda, which is .0998% of the federal budget and on top of that, for a while that the democrats have already supported before he came into
office. nancy pelosi, who supported it in the house supported the gang of eight built, which not only funded a 700 miles of border fence, it noted that no illegal immigrants could get the path to citizenship before the wall was completed. that was five years ago. now all of a sudden a wall is in immorality? the democrats have leverage here. what's amazing is that they should be using this to get trump to agree to a whole bunch of things. they are giving up their effort unilaterally over nothing. and eventually, as you say, they will own it if they don't compromise. >> bret: and is a trump derangement syndrome a part of that? it will be interesting to see. four stand-alone appropriation bills will be voted on and likely past, and that his financial services, transportation, housing, urban development, agriculture and rural development and related agencies. the omb has already issued a veto threat, saying moving these
four bills without a broader agreement to address the border crisis is unacceptable. if these bills are presented to the president, his advisors will recommend he veto these bills. where does this stop? >> i, too, was surprised that senator kennedy did not present the possibility of a compromise because the speeches -- what mark found in the fact that the word "compromise" was only used by the president, but the speeches are done, they only remember the candy being passed out at the meeting today, and two completely separate versions of what happened at the meeting. the more interesting meeting took place in senator lindsey graham's office where jared kushner, the president's son-in-law who is now dealing with democrats on a regular basis because he helped pass criminal justice reform, is talking to other republican senators about the possibility of some kind of daca dangle, it would be work permits in exchange for some kind of wall
money. this is the start of a place where compromise could happen. democrats good at some point have to look like they are asking for something in this ideal, instead of just resisting what has been on demand and if they don't they are complicit in dragging this out and it should be something that bears political costs on the president. of the wall has political costs on them, and anything that the president's right wing base believes is amnesty will bring a political cost to him. of that is the way out of the shutdown. both sides have to win. >> bret: lindsey graham i think is coming together saying things and bills to move forward the democrats have brought forward before in order to say hey, listen, you guys brought this forward, let's put this forward as part of the deal. it feels like democrats want the paycheck to be missed, even though they say they wanted to be open. it feels like they want the political pain to be realized
before negotiating. >> i noticed something interesting, just an hour since those speeches, president trump and the republicans continuing to talk about border security. schumer now shifting focus to the government workers, because maybe they are not on a solid political ground. if it is them being over a fence or a wall they have voted for in the past. you're right, they may be slightly cynically hoping to miss that first paycheck. i wonder, if it gets to a second paycheck, we already see people beginning to blame the democrats or assign them some responsibility for the shutdown. more people will sign, but the people assigning democrats and the blame is continuing to rise. and i also wonder, nancy pelosi is going to spend, what, her first month dealing with this and not all of that liberal wish list that she had wanted to pass legislation on and shift the debate in terms of the liberal agenda?
i continue to believe the longer this drags on the more leverage president trump has. >> bret: we are under one week, resolved or not? >> over a week. >> i hope it's a week. that's my hope. >> bret: next week, state officials push their jurisdictions to the far left. we will talk about that next. it's just a cough. yeah right. and the earth is flat. ahhh!! treat your cough seriously with robitussin cf max. nothing lasts longer and treats more symptoms for your cough, cold and flu. robitussin. because it's never just a cough. well, how ari dunno.ssage chairs woi'm still a little stressed about buying our new house. well, it's a good thing we don't have to worry about homeowners insurance. geico can help with that. we can get homeowners insurance help from geico?
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♪ >> conservatives, progressives understand we have a dysfunctional health care system, that we should have health care for all peer >> we will never waver in our pursuit of guaranteed health care for all californians. >> we are proposing to the state legislator that we have a public auction that is available throughout the state of washington so that we can increase the ability to move forward on the road to universal health care. >> from this moment on in new york city, everyone is guaranteed the right to health care. everyone. [applause] >> bret: progressives and the democratic party are clearly the most energized, and in state and local officials, it is going left as well. you just heard some of the mayors, governors there, new york city, paid leave, paid vacation, guaranteed health care for all new yorkers, including
300,000 illegal immigrants. california, health care benefits to illegal immigrants in the state, and in washington, the first step towards universal health care, also $1.1 billion to help save critically endangered orca's. as you take a look at the latest poll, you look at where people are ideologically, and since 1992, the percentage of americans identifying as a liberal risen from 70% to 26% today. mostly from shrieking moderates, down to 35%. conservatives consistently between 36% and 40 percent, no dipping in 2017 and 2018 as you take a look at the country, according to gallup. we are back with the panel. when you look at this and see this, what do you see? >> i see blue states that are turning indigo or ultraviolet, and they are doing so because they are in a paradoxical situation. the trump economy is giving them
money, so the governor of california hand to the gavel over with many billions and rainy day funds that he now wants to spend, same with mayor de blasio, economies are doing very well so they get there very ambitious spending proposals which tend to run into trouble as soon as the recession hits with the tax revenues begin to climb here >> bret: you are republican looking at these numbers in this kind of map, aren't you thinking, licking your chops for 2020 saying, i can make a case against big spending liberals? >> matthew is right in the states, but at the federal level, they were just like to use a debt spending to pay for a pie-in-the-sky proposal. >> bret: they are not exactly cutting back. >> cutback defense spending and right into the deficit and debt. that is very popular and many people come from a very gerrymandered districts where every single person in the district wants to spend their
way in the debt crisis. that is coming and neither party is addressing. that is a real problem, when i see that gallup polling, and i know that gallup's recent findings show 47% of independents, we are actually moving away from the two parties as they become more extreme. more of us are independents, 36% republican, 26% republican beard on immigration, legalization is no longer tolerable on the republican side, as on the democratic side order fencing is no longer tolerable. both parties are moving to the extremes. this is really about the fact that we are gerrymandered to the point where we can to solve problems together. we have parties that are shrinking, they are not big enough, and that creates this gridlock where we can't get to our biggest problem which is the debt crisis, and all of these discussions on the democratic side about this kind of medicare for all or medicare for everybody, or i want this option, none of it matters, it can't pass, it wouldn't if hillary was president, but i
just think the one thing, it's a bit of a liability for president trump in 2020 on health care. it's a huge issue in the midterm elections. you can't talk about that topic without talking about the price of giving everybody everything. >> bret: he talks about it he says he tried and there was a vote in the senate that didn't go his way. at the second gallup chart is the democrats' views since 1994, and the percentage of democrats identifying as liberal averaged 51%. the first time a majority of democrats have decided liberal is where they stand. >> i think we are seeing here, it is a double-edged sword that affects both parties. there is a fundamental realignment taking place in the political ecosystem. in the 2016 election, the working-class voters, many millions of them who had voted for obama twice switched to donald trump, and they stayed loyal in the 2018 midterms to donald trump ear to the republican party is becoming the party of the working class.
the democratic party who lost those poor working-class struggling voters into the republicans in the 2018 midterms, they won the suburbs. almost all those who won were suburban districts. what is happening is the republican party is becoming the party of the working class and the democratic party is becoming the party of the suburban and urban liberal elite, so by definition they are going to become more liberal and the conservatives will be more conservative. >> bret: it is shifting and we will talk about it a lot. panel, thank you. when we come back, drivers may be going too fast.
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. >> speaker2: finally tonight it is law enforcement appreciation day. thank you all you law enforcement folks out there. here is a look at an unusual way to look at speeders in texas. williamson county sheriff had a picture made into a life sized cut out holding a radar begun. convincing decoy in areas such
as school zones. apparently drivers are slowing down. now they may have more of these. watch out for that. fair, balanced, unafraid. the good thing martha thank you don't get a ticket. you just slow down. >> martha: bret thank you very much. alright. so if you believe that it is important to have a secure border that one senseless murder of an american citizen by someone who is here illegally or that it's opioids or heroin crossing into the united states even at our ports of entry is a problem or if it is members of the ms13 who cut the throats of their victims, almost a thousand of them were arrested last year, then many in the media and on capitol hill will tell you you are falling for a manufactured crisis this president just used the backdrop of the